I am no a liberal, but these are the ideas promoted by liberalism.
a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties
Well, fascism corporate control of people’s lives.
It promotes nation and race above individual. Centralized Govt with a dictator is part of fascism, with severe social and economic regimentation. (paraphrased from webster)
A liberal society is one promotes freedom of speech, gay rights, civil liberties, separation of church and state.
Liberals look to minimize government involvement in the economy.
Liberalism: emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition
Wow, good one Vitalem. I’m a moron and God knows it, huh? You’re so wise and intellectual, how could I possibly disagree?
How about this: Instead of telling me to ask people with no qualification on the matter, and giving me illegitimate sources comprised of the opinions of people who, also, are unqualified, why don’t you tell me WHY fascism isn’t liberal, instead of just saying it is or it isn’t? And then once you do that, find me REAL sources to warrant your claims. Good luck with that.
Go ask people around you. Ask ANYONE if fascism is leftwing.
Just try bringing it up in conversation with people, and ask them if they think it is leftist.
By the way, Vitalem, I’d like to go back to a point you tried to make a couple days ago. You claimed that you never judged me and all that and just pointed out things I was doing and told me to look for my own judgments. I never claimed to not make judgments… Because I’m not a hypocrite. You try to put yourself on a pedestal and say God would agree with your nonsense, but I admit that I judge and condescend, that’s how I am. You’re putting on an act in front of everyone on YT AND God.
I never said that! You’re putting your nonsense into my mouth. I never said teachers are trying intentionally to mislead kids. There’s a difference between lying and telling an untruth. If you don’t know any better, you can’t help but to teach people the fallacy that you’ve been taught. That doesn’t mean teachers are crazy liberal fascists. I don’t know about you, but my teachers never said anything about their political affiliation anyway.
ok, so all sorts of history teachers are in a conspiracy to collectively mislead kids into thinking nazism is right-wing when it is not?
That is so foolish.
SO foolish…
NO, there are more than one way to use quotes, but you sure don’t use quotes to MISQUOTE someone.
Well, the reason that you should find a source that classifies Nazism as leftist is because it would be extremely hard to find, or a totally non-credible source.
It is not hypocritical, because we weren’t talking about the same sort of thing.
Wikipedia can be very reliable (but not totally perfect), especially when it comes to widely known topics.
Well you’re right, there are malicious dems and reps. But I would argue that the dems are more malicious, and this administration is not only far more corrupt than Bush (or essentially any other admin so far), but has a get out of jail free car from the people who voted him in and the vast majority of media networks. Salem bin Laden and Arbusto? That was in the seventies, long before either WTC attack. Obama gave $1 billion to people we KNOW want us dead and financed 9/11.
And if it wasn’t for the fact that pretty much all teachers are liberal democrats, I would go back to one of my high school history teachers and ask, even though most history teachers don’t look into the political affiliation of the nazi party (that’s historian territory). Anyway, no, my “opinion” is not flat out wrong, you just have no idea what you’re talking about and have no facts to support your objection, or at least you haven’t shown me any. You just keep saying nazism wasn’t liberal.
It is liberal, and fascism isn’t “clearly RIGHT WING”.
Ok, Captain Grammar, I guess you’re right, there is only ONE proper use for quotation marks… Right.
You would be finding the definitions because I already know them, and you need to figure it out for yourself. You tell me to find you a source that calls Nazism liberal, and then tell me when I try to tell you to find sources to prove a point, you tell me to find them myself. Hypocritical?
sorry? i don`t want to offend you anymore… so please when we chat about political issues try to be objective, because actually both parties are cheating on us..
there is no saint republican and a devil democrat! it is only about who is cheating more/less!!
Obama played more golf, bush was into fishing.. obama gave money to the taliban, while bush was founding “arbusto” with money from the binladens.. Obama`s cabinet is rather filled with “wall-street banksters” and so was bush`s cabinet..
why would I find 3 definitions of conservatism and liberalism?
Can’t you find the definitions on your own?
And if you are going to assume I made some mistakes, why not you do that on your own?
Why not go to your highschool for a visit, and ask your old history teacher if he thinks Nazism was more left than right, and see if he shits his pants?
I am not defending liberalism because I am one, I am libertarian which is more conservative than republican.
Your opinion is just flat out WRONG
no, you do not use quotes when you are “portraying yourself as the person referred to in the quotes”
Proper use of quotes is when you are QUOTING them.
Yes, there are certain liberal ideas in Nazism (given part of the definition includes SOCIALISM)
But Nazism is FASCIST, and fascist is clearly RIGHT WING.
Granted I am not a liberal, I am a libertarian.
I am not defending liberalism because I consider it an insult, it is just DUMB DUMB DUMB to think Nazism is liberal.
On the “different” side:
Obama signed a bill to bribe the Taliban with $1 billion.
Obama continues to pander to false climate change fears rather than focusing on more pressing issues.
Obama and his crooked admin. are pushing health care down everyone’s throats.
Obama has played as many rounds of golf in less than a year in office as Bush did in all 8 years.
Obama’s cabinet is filled with admitted Marxists, communist idealists, and tax cheats.
No. Bush never gave the enemy a timeline, or cut the field commander’s demands for assistance in half, or delayed his war-time decisions for something as frivolous as a preemptive peace prize. The stimulus package, again, was nothing like the bailouts, although Obama did continue and increase the bailouts, as well as federal influence over the private sector. As far as indefinite detention and the patriot act, Obama is doing the right thing by not attempting to change either one.
Or how about this: Go find 3 similar definitions of “conservatism” and “liberalism”, and then make a bullet-list of the policies and ideals Hitler promoted, and compare. If you come up with more conservative than liberal, you made some big mistakes.
Or when you’re portraying yourself as the person referred to in the quotes. Clearly you didn’t say that verbatim, it was just a summary of basically everything you have said thus far.
I’d like for you to read the book “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg if you want to get not only brilliant detail on the rise and power of infamous tyrants, but the context in which their ideals and policies were leftist. Although you’re going to respond and tell me that’s conservative nonsense and inaccurate.
nice statement! re. breakroombrawl.. lmao
anyway.. living away from the american Main Stream Media i have to ask: doesn`t it look like to you, that Obama is continuing bush`s policy?
i know for devoted (brainwashed) conservatives everything obama does is bad, even if it is the same thing bush did!
-he didn`t end the war.. even sent more troops
-bailout=stimulus
-indefinite detention..
-patriot act… not changed
i can see some difference.. but not the big “change”..
what are you using quotes for?
Those words are not what I said.
You use quotes when you are using exactly the same words that the person being quoted used.
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VitalemRecords
December 7th, 2009 at 9:35 am
I am no a liberal, but these are the ideas promoted by liberalism.
a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties
VitalemRecords
December 7th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Well, fascism corporate control of people’s lives.
It promotes nation and race above individual. Centralized Govt with a dictator is part of fascism, with severe social and economic regimentation. (paraphrased from webster)
A liberal society is one promotes freedom of speech, gay rights, civil liberties, separation of church and state.
Liberals look to minimize government involvement in the economy.
Liberalism: emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition
breakroombrawl
December 7th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Wow, good one Vitalem. I’m a moron and God knows it, huh? You’re so wise and intellectual, how could I possibly disagree?
How about this: Instead of telling me to ask people with no qualification on the matter, and giving me illegitimate sources comprised of the opinions of people who, also, are unqualified, why don’t you tell me WHY fascism isn’t liberal, instead of just saying it is or it isn’t? And then once you do that, find me REAL sources to warrant your claims. Good luck with that.
VitalemRecords
December 7th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Go ask people around you. Ask ANYONE if fascism is leftwing.
Just try bringing it up in conversation with people, and ask them if they think it is leftist.
VitalemRecords
December 7th, 2009 at 11:34 am
You are a moron, and God knows it.
breakroombrawl
December 7th, 2009 at 11:56 am
CombatSambo83 = baby shit
breakroombrawl
December 7th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
By the way, Vitalem, I’d like to go back to a point you tried to make a couple days ago. You claimed that you never judged me and all that and just pointed out things I was doing and told me to look for my own judgments. I never claimed to not make judgments… Because I’m not a hypocrite. You try to put yourself on a pedestal and say God would agree with your nonsense, but I admit that I judge and condescend, that’s how I am. You’re putting on an act in front of everyone on YT AND God.
breakroombrawl
December 7th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I never said that! You’re putting your nonsense into my mouth. I never said teachers are trying intentionally to mislead kids. There’s a difference between lying and telling an untruth. If you don’t know any better, you can’t help but to teach people the fallacy that you’ve been taught. That doesn’t mean teachers are crazy liberal fascists. I don’t know about you, but my teachers never said anything about their political affiliation anyway.
VitalemRecords
December 7th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
“Fascism, which was not afraid to call itself reactionary… does not hesitate to call itself illiberal and anti-liberal.”
_Benito Mussolini
VitalemRecords
December 7th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
ok, so all sorts of history teachers are in a conspiracy to collectively mislead kids into thinking nazism is right-wing when it is not?
That is so foolish.
SO foolish…
VitalemRecords
December 7th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
NO, there are more than one way to use quotes, but you sure don’t use quotes to MISQUOTE someone.
Well, the reason that you should find a source that classifies Nazism as leftist is because it would be extremely hard to find, or a totally non-credible source.
It is not hypocritical, because we weren’t talking about the same sort of thing.
Wikipedia can be very reliable (but not totally perfect), especially when it comes to widely known topics.
breakroombrawl
December 7th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Well you’re right, there are malicious dems and reps. But I would argue that the dems are more malicious, and this administration is not only far more corrupt than Bush (or essentially any other admin so far), but has a get out of jail free car from the people who voted him in and the vast majority of media networks. Salem bin Laden and Arbusto? That was in the seventies, long before either WTC attack. Obama gave $1 billion to people we KNOW want us dead and financed 9/11.
breakroombrawl
December 7th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
And if it wasn’t for the fact that pretty much all teachers are liberal democrats, I would go back to one of my high school history teachers and ask, even though most history teachers don’t look into the political affiliation of the nazi party (that’s historian territory). Anyway, no, my “opinion” is not flat out wrong, you just have no idea what you’re talking about and have no facts to support your objection, or at least you haven’t shown me any. You just keep saying nazism wasn’t liberal.
breakroombrawl
December 7th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
It is liberal, and fascism isn’t “clearly RIGHT WING”.
Ok, Captain Grammar, I guess you’re right, there is only ONE proper use for quotation marks… Right.
You would be finding the definitions because I already know them, and you need to figure it out for yourself. You tell me to find you a source that calls Nazism liberal, and then tell me when I try to tell you to find sources to prove a point, you tell me to find them myself. Hypocritical?
log140
December 7th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
sorry? i don`t want to offend you anymore… so please when we chat about political issues try to be objective, because actually both parties are cheating on us..
there is no saint republican and a devil democrat! it is only about who is cheating more/less!!
Obama played more golf, bush was into fishing.. obama gave money to the taliban, while bush was founding “arbusto” with money from the binladens.. Obama`s cabinet is rather filled with “wall-street banksters” and so was bush`s cabinet..
VitalemRecords
December 7th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
why would I find 3 definitions of conservatism and liberalism?
Can’t you find the definitions on your own?
And if you are going to assume I made some mistakes, why not you do that on your own?
Why not go to your highschool for a visit, and ask your old history teacher if he thinks Nazism was more left than right, and see if he shits his pants?
I am not defending liberalism because I am one, I am libertarian which is more conservative than republican.
Your opinion is just flat out WRONG
VitalemRecords
December 7th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
no, you do not use quotes when you are “portraying yourself as the person referred to in the quotes”
Proper use of quotes is when you are QUOTING them.
Yes, there are certain liberal ideas in Nazism (given part of the definition includes SOCIALISM)
But Nazism is FASCIST, and fascist is clearly RIGHT WING.
Granted I am not a liberal, I am a libertarian.
I am not defending liberalism because I consider it an insult, it is just DUMB DUMB DUMB to think Nazism is liberal.
breakroombrawl
December 7th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
On the “different” side:
Obama signed a bill to bribe the Taliban with $1 billion.
Obama continues to pander to false climate change fears rather than focusing on more pressing issues.
Obama and his crooked admin. are pushing health care down everyone’s throats.
Obama has played as many rounds of golf in less than a year in office as Bush did in all 8 years.
Obama’s cabinet is filled with admitted Marxists, communist idealists, and tax cheats.
breakroombrawl
December 7th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
No. Bush never gave the enemy a timeline, or cut the field commander’s demands for assistance in half, or delayed his war-time decisions for something as frivolous as a preemptive peace prize. The stimulus package, again, was nothing like the bailouts, although Obama did continue and increase the bailouts, as well as federal influence over the private sector. As far as indefinite detention and the patriot act, Obama is doing the right thing by not attempting to change either one.
breakroombrawl
December 7th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Or how about this: Go find 3 similar definitions of “conservatism” and “liberalism”, and then make a bullet-list of the policies and ideals Hitler promoted, and compare. If you come up with more conservative than liberal, you made some big mistakes.
breakroombrawl
December 7th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Or when you’re portraying yourself as the person referred to in the quotes. Clearly you didn’t say that verbatim, it was just a summary of basically everything you have said thus far.
I’d like for you to read the book “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg if you want to get not only brilliant detail on the rise and power of infamous tyrants, but the context in which their ideals and policies were leftist. Although you’re going to respond and tell me that’s conservative nonsense and inaccurate.
log140
December 7th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
nice statement! re. breakroombrawl.. lmao
anyway.. living away from the american Main Stream Media i have to ask: doesn`t it look like to you, that Obama is continuing bush`s policy?
i know for devoted (brainwashed) conservatives everything obama does is bad, even if it is the same thing bush did!
-he didn`t end the war.. even sent more troops
-bailout=stimulus
-indefinite detention..
-patriot act… not changed
i can see some difference.. but not the big “change”..
VitalemRecords
December 7th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
You go ahead and find for me ONE source that views Nazi’s as leftist.
VitalemRecords
December 7th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Just like your attitudes about and view of the world are heavily skewed.
VitalemRecords
December 7th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
what are you using quotes for?
Those words are not what I said.
You use quotes when you are using exactly the same words that the person being quoted used.